CP-E TMIC vs CX Racing FMIC

4dr Threat said:
Correct me then almighty. I think you just prefer to be condescending instead. You know what....forget it. I am going tmic as I mentioned.
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It only seems condescending because you are too immature to admit you are in fact an idiot. You haven't read anything already posted in this thread so I'm not wasting my time spelling it out for you again.
 
Oh good now we're name calling. Let's not keep going down this Rabbit hole, I agree it seems like OP doesn't want to hear the information.

Unfortunately a good chunk of the dynos supporting TMIC 400whp+ numbers got lost when MSF died. There are some around in here in build threads but I'm not about to comb through the threads to find them.
 
Easter Bunny said:
It only seems condescending because you are too immature to admit you are in fact an idiot. You haven't read anything already posted in this thread so I'm not wasting my time spelling it out for you again.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night douche bag.
 
So enki has actually done alot of math on this subject..... Checkout his thread and this post specifically
https://mazdaspeeds.org/index.php?threads/disi-mzresponse.457/
Enki said:
Had a chat with Gerhard at Bell Intercoolers about a custom top mount intercooler a while back and I'm probably going to have them make me one in a different layout by sending them a stock intercooler with shroud to work with for mounting and whatnot. The inlet will be 2.5" and the outlet will be factory size of 2.75".

Here's how the layout will change (mounted orientation as pictured when looking at the engine from the front of the car):
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It would be similar to the configuration of WRX/STI intercoolers...Speaking of which, here's what an STI is capable of on an EFR 7163 using a TMIC:

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The intercooler on that STI is made by ETS (39 rows) and measures 21 x 7 x 4 which is 588 inches of core area; they don't list a flow rating for the core, but they have dyno graphs showing ~560 WHP on an E85 tuned STI.

Now to roll that into what ETS says about their MS3 TMIC:

So basically, the inlet (2") and outlet (2.75") restrict flow to about 600 hp worth, and the surface area of the core and airflow over it further reduce efficiency to about a maximum of 450 (probably crank rated) at 50 MPH. It's probably worth noting that their intercooler for our cars is 19 row and probably about the same dimensions as the CPE unit, but I can't find any hard info on core size.

I currently have a CPE TMIC which has rough core dimensions of 13.5 x 11.75 x 3.25; comparing this with the closest flow rated core Bell has (13.4 x 12.00 x 3.50 = 562.80 cubic inches and 799 CFM), the CPE probably flows around 750 CFM max for the core. The one I chose from Bell (part number A300195120) has dimensions of 19.2 x 12 x 3. Stats on these intercoolers are listed below:

Here are the above intercoolers ranked in core area (cubic inches; possible cooling capacity; higher is better):
TR10: 882
Bell: 702
TR8: 600.6
ETS: 546
CPE: 515.53

And again in surface area (cubic inches; possible cooling efficiency; higher is better):
TR10: 252
Bell: 234
TR8: 171.6
CPE: 185.625
ETS: 168

And again by flow (CFM, potential horsepower, higher is better):
ETS: 1176 (core, actual lower)
TR10: 1000
Bell: 982 (core)
TR8: 750
CPE: 750 (estimated max, likely lower due to piping size restriction)

Some rough math had my old setup at about 724 CFM required at redline, and only 765 CFM required for the destroke build (but at a much higher PSI).

Oh, and as far as TMIC shroud flow goes, I estimate there is between 25 and 30 square inches of surface area/ducting, which will hurt overall cooling; however, I plan on stepping up my meth nozzle overall flow from 16 GPH to 20 to further help with cooling.

More to follow...
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Yeah, I already have VT and tune with it, and my stock block was running 7500 RPM. VT goes up to 8k rpm and 4.0 load on most tables.
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TMIC is neat. "FMIC Gang" generally doesn't know why they're getting them besides them looking cool in the front. That said, there are times where an FMIC would be nice from a maintenance standpoint for me, but I do really enjoy the car the way it is.

Either way, there's a lot of stupid up in here.

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4dr Threat said:
Original post restored:
General rule of thumb is FMICs are superior in cooling and airflow support. However how does a high quality TMIC vs a low quality FMIC compare? Any comparative dynos? Any experience with both? Opinions?

For references car is just intake, exhaust, hpfp, and a tune.
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Enki said:
@Awafrican can we get the OP restored? I don't think I ever got to see it. Smoochies!
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Done
 
I mean, first line is basically true. *USUALLY* TMIC are space constrained, whereas FMIC are not (FMIC including multiple exchangers placed elsewhere than on top of or horizontally near the engine).

How did this thread go to shit so fast?
 
Enki said:
I mean, first line is basically true. *USUALLY* TMIC are space constrained, whereas FMIC are not (FMIC including multiple exchangers placed elsewhere than on top of or horizontally near the engine).

How did this thread go to shit so fast?
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Some strong personalities and opinions.
 
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