Mauro_Penguin
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Hello all...
Before anyone asks why Im starting a thread for a mustang here and not on one of the mustang forums, let me answer that quickly by saying that most all of the mustang forums out there are awful. It is extremely difficult to find RELEVANT information on many of them. For example...
-Springs? 2" drop yo. (no relevant information on spring rates)
-Control arms? Get stiff ones. (no consideration for bushing bind)
-Tuning? Bama Tunes and an intake gave me 40HP (great, what about CFM and cam advance?)
Although there is some good info on TrackMustangs Forum, and Boss302 Forums, I have more interesting reads here so I decided to drop a deuce on MSO and have fun getting flamed for it. On to the car...
2010 Ford Mustang GT (Black on black)

That last pic is from a trip we made to Tennessee shortly after getting it. Absolutely love the mud on it.
The wife bought it in 2012 with 12k miles on it for less than $29k with an extended warranty. She got jealous that I bought my new Pu over the summer, and decided to buy herself a new(ish) car. Meh. To some we overpayed, but she fell in love with it, and at the time the Coyote 5.0's were still working out their bugs. In the end it was worth it. Things that came on the car...
4.6L 3valve V8
5spd manual tr3650 trans
3.73 differential gears
Track Pack dashboard timer
Glass Roof (best pic of it
)
Black leather w/heated seats
Pony interior trim
BlowByRacing rear lower control arms
rolled rear fenders (prev owner... shakes head)
Black out Fog light covers (removed the first week)
Overall the car has been ridiculously reliable, so no ragretz. It is also a lot of fun to drive, even if you are being followed by the police who are waiting for you to do a burnout. The car is now at 60k miles (7 years later). Mods have been slow since we focused on paying both cars off early. The wife now has a longer commute, and I'm pretty happy with where the Pu is, so its time to begin tastefully modifying the mustang.
First mods on the car over the years were synthetic fluids, custom purple shift knob I had made for the wife
, MMD quarter window lovers, and a catch can. After the corksport catch cans were exploding under boost back in 2013, I decided to put it in the mustang and get a JBR for the Pu. Here is a pic of the two corksport cans on it at the time.
I had 1 hooked up on the passenger side which led to the pre throttle line, it never caught a drop of oil, so after 5 years of use I removed it and put the stock line back on. I have the other on the Driver side valve cover, this one catches a lot of shit. Ford built the PCV valve into the valve cover itself. Over the summer I will remove the valve covers and inspect the PCV valve and baffles, but no harm no foul so I don't expect to find anything crazy.
Stock suspension on this car is interesting in that, it handles like shit but it has SSOOOO much potential. Ford used a hydrobushing on the front control arms just like our Mazda's, also Ford gave the car an almost flat roll center in the front at stock height. So the front end drives like a boat, and nose dives pretty bad when braking. Why do people drop these cars? I have no idea since there isn't much to gain besides going into a stiff spring. More on roll center later...
The rear suspension is a "3 link" setup along with a panhard bar. Essentially you have a central short suspension arm that bolts up from the chassis to the top of the diff housing, and 2 lower control arms that bolt up from the chassis to the outer axle ends. This is light years better than the 4 link setup that used to bind up like crazy on the Fox Body mustangs and even the SN95 chassis of the 90's. The 3 link allows the axle to rotate as the suspension compresses, which keeps the diff/driveshaft flange fairly parallel to the nose of the car. This can be good for maintaining pinion angle and allowing the suspension to compress and rebound easily when cornering. The panhard bar bolts up to the passenger side of the chassis and and extends diagnolly to the driver side of the axle, so when the car launches and the axle wants to rise upward on the driver side due to resistance against the driveshaft, the panhard bar (along with the sway bar) force the axle to stay planted.
Now that this is explained, on to the bad side of this rear end setup.
Ford gave this car absolutely ZERO antisquat, because the control arms are parallel to the ground. So when you launch the car, eventhough the panhard and sway bar hold the axle down, the weight wants to shift back. Sounds good? Actually no. On stock suspension the weight shifts back, causing the axle to rotate up as the driver side of the axle wants to compress up into the chassis which actually forces the panhard bar to kick the axle outward away from the body (think track bar on a jeep wrangler front end). This leads to wheel hop, an unpredictable rear roll center, and potentially devastating pinion angle change that can eat up your diff. Ford's way of mitigating this, they used really soft bushings on all the rear suspension to keep the untrained driver from feeling all this shifting around of the floating axle, but even to the untrained driver it makes the rear end feel loose and unpredictable when cornering.
In a nutshell this chassis can handle awesome, but Ford made compromises to keep road noise down, and make the car "feel powerful and sporty" from all the brake dive and squat to potential buyers. Maybe they just wanted to sell the ford racing suspension upgrades also?
Two last things that I will explain before I begin uploading pics and explaining mods... Ford used hydrobushing engine mounts to keep the engine NVH at a minimum. Just like the mazdaspeeds! Also the shifter assembly is some hybrid that is mounted on the chassis by a soft bushing, and reaches down into the trans to shift. This makes for near impossible shifting in higher RPM's since there is so much torque wanting to move the engine and trans from their static position. This is actually an easy fix.
"Penguin, this sounds like an awful car!" Well its no spec miata or e46 M3, but its super fun to drive, has nice trunk room, and a really roomy and pretty interior. Once again, the S197 has A LOT of potential but it does need to be modified properly. Thus begins our journey...
(Pics to cum...)
Edit: Old pics found and uploaded. ...sploosh...
Before anyone asks why Im starting a thread for a mustang here and not on one of the mustang forums, let me answer that quickly by saying that most all of the mustang forums out there are awful. It is extremely difficult to find RELEVANT information on many of them. For example...
-Springs? 2" drop yo. (no relevant information on spring rates)
-Control arms? Get stiff ones. (no consideration for bushing bind)
-Tuning? Bama Tunes and an intake gave me 40HP (great, what about CFM and cam advance?)
Although there is some good info on TrackMustangs Forum, and Boss302 Forums, I have more interesting reads here so I decided to drop a deuce on MSO and have fun getting flamed for it. On to the car...
2010 Ford Mustang GT (Black on black)






That last pic is from a trip we made to Tennessee shortly after getting it. Absolutely love the mud on it.
The wife bought it in 2012 with 12k miles on it for less than $29k with an extended warranty. She got jealous that I bought my new Pu over the summer, and decided to buy herself a new(ish) car. Meh. To some we overpayed, but she fell in love with it, and at the time the Coyote 5.0's were still working out their bugs. In the end it was worth it. Things that came on the car...
4.6L 3valve V8
5spd manual tr3650 trans
3.73 differential gears
Track Pack dashboard timer
Glass Roof (best pic of it

Black leather w/heated seats
Pony interior trim
BlowByRacing rear lower control arms
rolled rear fenders (prev owner... shakes head)
Black out Fog light covers (removed the first week)
Overall the car has been ridiculously reliable, so no ragretz. It is also a lot of fun to drive, even if you are being followed by the police who are waiting for you to do a burnout. The car is now at 60k miles (7 years later). Mods have been slow since we focused on paying both cars off early. The wife now has a longer commute, and I'm pretty happy with where the Pu is, so its time to begin tastefully modifying the mustang.
First mods on the car over the years were synthetic fluids, custom purple shift knob I had made for the wife



I had 1 hooked up on the passenger side which led to the pre throttle line, it never caught a drop of oil, so after 5 years of use I removed it and put the stock line back on. I have the other on the Driver side valve cover, this one catches a lot of shit. Ford built the PCV valve into the valve cover itself. Over the summer I will remove the valve covers and inspect the PCV valve and baffles, but no harm no foul so I don't expect to find anything crazy.
Stock suspension on this car is interesting in that, it handles like shit but it has SSOOOO much potential. Ford used a hydrobushing on the front control arms just like our Mazda's, also Ford gave the car an almost flat roll center in the front at stock height. So the front end drives like a boat, and nose dives pretty bad when braking. Why do people drop these cars? I have no idea since there isn't much to gain besides going into a stiff spring. More on roll center later...
The rear suspension is a "3 link" setup along with a panhard bar. Essentially you have a central short suspension arm that bolts up from the chassis to the top of the diff housing, and 2 lower control arms that bolt up from the chassis to the outer axle ends. This is light years better than the 4 link setup that used to bind up like crazy on the Fox Body mustangs and even the SN95 chassis of the 90's. The 3 link allows the axle to rotate as the suspension compresses, which keeps the diff/driveshaft flange fairly parallel to the nose of the car. This can be good for maintaining pinion angle and allowing the suspension to compress and rebound easily when cornering. The panhard bar bolts up to the passenger side of the chassis and and extends diagnolly to the driver side of the axle, so when the car launches and the axle wants to rise upward on the driver side due to resistance against the driveshaft, the panhard bar (along with the sway bar) force the axle to stay planted.


Ford gave this car absolutely ZERO antisquat, because the control arms are parallel to the ground. So when you launch the car, eventhough the panhard and sway bar hold the axle down, the weight wants to shift back. Sounds good? Actually no. On stock suspension the weight shifts back, causing the axle to rotate up as the driver side of the axle wants to compress up into the chassis which actually forces the panhard bar to kick the axle outward away from the body (think track bar on a jeep wrangler front end). This leads to wheel hop, an unpredictable rear roll center, and potentially devastating pinion angle change that can eat up your diff. Ford's way of mitigating this, they used really soft bushings on all the rear suspension to keep the untrained driver from feeling all this shifting around of the floating axle, but even to the untrained driver it makes the rear end feel loose and unpredictable when cornering.
In a nutshell this chassis can handle awesome, but Ford made compromises to keep road noise down, and make the car "feel powerful and sporty" from all the brake dive and squat to potential buyers. Maybe they just wanted to sell the ford racing suspension upgrades also?
Two last things that I will explain before I begin uploading pics and explaining mods... Ford used hydrobushing engine mounts to keep the engine NVH at a minimum. Just like the mazdaspeeds! Also the shifter assembly is some hybrid that is mounted on the chassis by a soft bushing, and reaches down into the trans to shift. This makes for near impossible shifting in higher RPM's since there is so much torque wanting to move the engine and trans from their static position. This is actually an easy fix.
"Penguin, this sounds like an awful car!" Well its no spec miata or e46 M3, but its super fun to drive, has nice trunk room, and a really roomy and pretty interior. Once again, the S197 has A LOT of potential but it does need to be modified properly. Thus begins our journey...
(Pics to cum...)
Edit: Old pics found and uploaded. ...sploosh...
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