Cool. I was told they were discontinued or on back-order
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Currently broke so in time I will have updates which will be the machine shop results
Well before the Machine ship, I need to purchase my rods and pistons first. I am looking at the CP Pistons and Manley H series Rods combo.
CP Pistons at stock compression ratio 9.5:1 with the piston bore at standard. THe Manley Rods will be 22.5mm (stock) with ARP 625 rod bolts for increased strength and durability.
CP Pistons at stock compression ratio 9.5:1 with the piston bore at standard. THe Manley Rods will be 22.5mm (stock) with ARP 625 rod bolts for increased strength and durability.
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Bad idea, cp pistons dont come in 22.5 iirc
Lol CP were one of the first companies to make pistons for our platform and didnt fuck it up like wiseco did
No kidding? The more you know... LOL. I just rarely see them used (I actually know of only 1 build that did, and it failed within 1k miles or so - but that was a spun bearing, so not related). Anyways I didn't know better. And I don't think CP coats the skirts either, right?
No but if you ask and pay for it they will for you.
I selected this based on longevity and durability. I think I amt an intermediate level but or a build, I am new to this. I am also looking to into Mahle and Manley. I just want to build one time and hopefully have a reliable block that will last over 70K. I am looking at Mahle 2618 Pistons and Manley Platinum Series Pistons to see what will work best.
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I am looking into that. I not looking to have a full race car. I want a DD (a must) and a sleeper if possible
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22mm on edge.
[doublepost=1485563332][/doublepost]Machine Shop. I am looking into 5 different shop via google search. I am new to California and 3 of those were recommended.
Arce Engines
215 Denny Way, El Cajon, CA 92020 --- about 1hr30min from me
Clean and magazines block $65
Bore, hone and rinse block $149
Deck block $94
Clean, mag and Polish crank $75
Clean and mag head, valve job and surface $225
Total: $608 (not sure of tax)
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What's your power goal? If longevity is a concern too, why not go 4032s? South of 500whp, they'll be totally fine according to the piston engineer who designed them, so long as you're running lots of alky. You could use performance coatings on them to get an even greater safety layer too, I'd imagine...
Edit: just saw that you mentioned 650whp in the OP. You'll need 2618s, I'd say. 4032s are characteristically known for a longer service life, though. Modding is just full of compromises: give a little here to get a little there, as we all know, LOL
What's your power goal? If longevity is a concern too, why not go 4032s? South of 500whp, they'll be totally fine according to the piston engineer who designed them, so long as you're running lots of alky. You could use performance coatings on them to get an even greater safety layer too, I'd imagine...
Edit: just saw that you mentioned 650whp in the OP. You'll need 2618s, I'd say. 4032s are characteristically known for a longer service life, though. Modding is just full of compromises: give a little here to get a little there, as we all know, LOL
Thanks the input. CP pistons and Pauter X beams are no longer on my list for now. I am now looking at Manley H-Plus H-Beam rods come with ARP 625 rod bolts as well as the Manley Platinum Series Pistons. It's made of high strength 2618 material. I am guessing this should be a workable combination. Since I can't get Clevite everything, I am looking at the King Racing XP Series Rod and Main bearings.
I meant bad idea because the 22mm wrist pins that come with cp pistons wouldnt work well with manley rods made for the 22.5mm wrist pin. I have nothing against cp pistons, they are in my engine with carrillo rods.
I like the fact that some of the offerings are DI-optimized in design too, having the pocket similar to what you find on Genpu pistons to help fuel swirl/atomization. Those CPs look like a Won piston compared to these Mahles, for instance:I meant bad idea because the 22mm wrist pins that come with cp pistons wouldnt work well with manley rods made for the 22.5mm wrist pin. I have nothing against cp pistons, they are in my engine with carrillo rods.
Yup had manleys with coatings and the pocket, noticed no difference. Coating was wore off after 5k miles. CP also looked at the design change when pu pistons came out and decided it wasnt worth changing their design.
Yeah, "good enough" is plenty for many manufacturers. And I personally don't think you'd feel any difference. The fact that Mazda engineers decided it was worthwhile goes very far with me, though. I'll be running pocketed pistons. The GRAFAL coating is irrelevant to me. I won't be running these particular Mahle's anyways, but the 4032s. I like the advancements of the state of the art in DI piston design and will definitely avail myself of them.
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Thats the great thing about owning a car, you can do what you want.
Final set up will be with:
King Racing XP-Series Rod Bearings
King Racing XP-Series Main Bearing
Manley Platinum Series Pistons - Piston Bore: Stock
Manley H-Beam Rods - Wrist Pin Size: Stock with ARP 625 rod bolts
I believe this should be a great set up with great results. This week, I will visit a few other machine ships to get some quotes. Arce Engines is on my radar but I wanted to see what the residents recommendations results come down to especially price wise.
It is good to know that coating the pistons doesn't make any difference in performance and/or results because I was looking into that especially how on many websites, they talk so great about it.
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King Racing XP-Series Rod Bearings
King Racing XP-Series Main Bearing
Manley Platinum Series Pistons - Piston Bore: Stock
Manley H-Beam Rods - Wrist Pin Size: Stock with ARP 625 rod bolts
I believe this should be a great set up with great results. This week, I will visit a few other machine ships to get some quotes. Arce Engines is on my radar but I wanted to see what the residents recommendations results come down to especially price wise.
It is good to know that coating the pistons doesn't make any difference in performance and/or results because I was looking into that especially how on many websites, they talk so great about it.
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Good to know
Manleys after 5k miles 425ish hp with tons of meth
If i still had them id take better pics of how bad the moly coating was wore off
Manleys after 5k miles 425ish hp with tons of meth
If i still had them id take better pics of how bad the moly coating was wore off
Overall, how did you like your set up before you changed? Any issues?