Total MPS AWD
- Thread starter Gintas Kazlauskas
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I have bought parts from them and waited weeks/months to get them last year. This year I purchased other parts an they came right away. I know they were banned from many Mazda websites over the past couple years so just be careful when purchasing big money items overseas...trust me I've been down this road with them.
Yeah they've had some fucked up parts like their stock flange tubular manifold and screwing over customers with not installing parts that were paid for like headstuds, rods requested (used OEM or cheaper aftermarket alternative like K1 rods instead of H Beam on the Invoice), and overall poor quality work including installs. I definitely don't trust them and they seem to build these AWD MS3's then you never hear of them ever making good power or doing anything impressive besides adapting the AWD drivetrain. The last build I followed was a twin charged gen1 that had some custom ECU work done with unlocked tables and or piggy back setup. Best thing out of this shop is probably the custom cams they had made for the DISI that Teo ended up running on his AWD 6466 gen1 (he had custom fab work done, didn't use their conversion kit)
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One of my friends out of Texas was actually helping tune the black gen2 AWD customer car in the UK that had a laggy ass 1.XX a/r GTX3586R and turbo didn't come online until 5k RPM or so and had every mod needed to support the setup including Port Injection but that customers channel hasn't had a video uploaded in years so who knows what became of that exotic build.
You're lucky to get a Focus RS for MSRP. I've heard of them going for up to +$7,500 over MSRP. That's a very expensive total price compared to even a brand-new Speed 3 w/ Tech, back in 2013. With lots of options and TTL, you could be looking at a $50k price tag. Could've gotten two Speeds for that price. And lots of fun, fast, and very moddable cars that can make a ton of power for that amount of coin...
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But no "drift mode" for us
, you know, for ricer bravado.
McDonald's trays and parking brake for the hoon mode on MS3..But no "drift mode" for us
Well ~25k doesn't get you much today. Speed3 was a bargin.
But the Ford build quality, and engine are no where near Mazda's.
Meh. i guess what are you comparing it too? Undeersteering pig even with a giant sway bar and full suspension. Whatever Ford did to the rear suspension on the ST makes that cars rear end kick, it's a far superior chassis because of it as far as im concerned.
But the Ford build quality, and engine are no where near Mazda's.
But is this tendency really a function of the chassis? Do you have quantitative measures of chassis rigidity and handling dynamics? Or is it really about the FoST's electronic nannies? Big difference between the two. And a nanny that can be great at stock power levels can be an absolute nightmare when you're making a good deal more power. Ask me about SWAS, LOL. One of the best things I ever did was disable that system, particularly at BNR S3 power levels (385/380).Well ~25k doesn't get you much today. Speed3 was a bargin.
Meh. i guess what are you comparing it too? Undeersteering pig even with a giant sway bar and full suspension. Whatever Ford did to the rear suspension on the ST makes that cars rear end kick, it's a far superior chassis because of it as far as im concerned.
But the Ford build quality, and engine are no where near Mazda's.
Local Stig has his riceland equipped MS3 within a few seconds of his full track prep MSM at the local shifter kart course (hybrid autox/road racing). He seems to think my MS3 (when back on the road and dialed in) will be just as quick as his MSM.
Mostly hands on experience. AutoX both cars, the FoST, is much more refined and easier to drive. Even on the street i can feel it on the freeway, spirited driving.
Yes, SWAS sucks. First mod i did
That's all relieve to the track, right? I have autoX'ed faster times than a Z06, Miata's ect. Go to a different course and they will be seconds faster.
You just haven't driven an MS3 with a well-sorted suspension/tire setup yetMostly hands on experience. AutoX both cars, the FoST, is much more refined and easier to drive. Even on the street i can feel it on the freeway, spirited driving.
Yes, SWAS sucks. First mod i did
That's all relieve to the track, right? I have autoX'ed faster times than a Z06, Miata's ect. Go to a different course and they will be seconds faster.
Maybe not? Bilstien B8's/H&R Hotchkis RSB, Prothane sway bar bushings front, white-line front LCA. Powerflex bushings in rear knuckles.
I'm on 18x8 wheels on oem Goodyear eagle (Oem FoST tires) tires which admittedly are not winning any awards, BUTTTTT apples to apples the focus still feels more refined.
I'm on 18x8 wheels on oem Goodyear eagle (Oem FoST tires) tires which admittedly are not winning any awards, BUTTTTT apples to apples the focus still feels more refined.
Nah, definitely not. OTS "sport" setups are not well-sorted performance suspensions. They sacrifice a little comfort and give a little performance, but not too much. Ask me how I know. Get in a car with a real performance setup by @phate , @ConeKiller , @Nliiitend1 or other peeps that know these cars, then make a comparison.
I could be missing something, but my understanding is that the FoST suspension and MS3 suspension are virtually identical in setup; even in curb weight and weight distribution. The nannies are the difference. And the nannies better be more refined, with 10 years more development time, haha. Call me a purist, but I'm of the persuasion that truly skilled drivers don't like any nannies, no matter how refined they are, save, perhaps, ABS, and even then it's a toss up. With a good driver mod, you can stop a car faster without ABS than with.
I'm glad you like how the FoST handles, but "refined" is an extremely subjective term. Speed 3s have proven to have the ability to hang with Vettes, BMWs, Porsches, and all sorts of other legit sports cars, even with just a pair of good brake pads. The proof is in the pudding, and that seals it for me.
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MS3 and Fost is very identical suspension. - Rear end is redesigned geometry by some guy from lotus
I know there is room for improvement. The car is my DD, i'm not about to run 800lb sprint rates to make it track faster, just comparing the chassis, is all.... AWD would solve my gripe with the car
I know there is room for improvement. The car is my DD, i'm not about to run 800lb sprint rates to make it track faster, just comparing the chassis, is all.... AWD would solve my gripe with the car
To quote Phate, "it's all in the dampers." You can run very stiff springs and have more driving comfort than stock if the dampers are correctly valved. AWD often causes plow and understeer, and may lose that sharpness you say feels "refined," unless it's mid-engine AWD.MS3 and Fost is very identical suspension. - Rear end is redesigned geometry by some guy from lotus
I know there is room for improvement. The car is my DD, i'm not about to run 800lb sprint rates to make it track faster, just comparing the chassis, is all.... AWD would solve my gripe with the car
Regardless, I'm glad you like your FoST. I love eatin' them for breakfast, every chance I get