Intake Manifold

Actually, using 93 in combination with methanol is what made his experiment so effective because it helped show the difference in a really obvious way. Using E85 to cover up the lack of even distribution is a band-aid fix plenty of people use. I agree that the distribution in an EB2.0 manifold could be (should be) different, hopefully better...of course it's hard to imagine it being worse. I hope to be able to experiment with that in the future when I have time.

I was thinking about the logistics of making TMIC fitment happen and I'm starting to question it a little bit. The fact that the stock manifold is metal and pretty damn sturdy is part of how it can withstand the force of a heavy intercooler and hood scoop pushing down on it. I think some kind of bracket would be needed with the EB2.0. Outsourcing that could be costly since three different brackets would be needed (for Gen1, Gen2, MS6), or some kind of adjustable bracket.
Indeed. The fact that Dale was able to dance right on the level of the knock threshold gave illuminating results. Ideally, we'd have 4 knock sensors, 1/cylinder, so we knew exactly where the knock occurs first. This is probably impractical and expensive. His results, however, strongly suggest that Dale's results were solely a function of unequal distribution between cylinders that was remedied by nozzle location. He controlled his variables very well. He was spraying the same amount of WMI, for instance, and had almost identical ambient conditions.

It is for this reason that I believe it'll be a non-issue with the EB manifold. Flow imbalances won't need addressed via different nozzle location. Additionally, the EB manifold will likely positively address the notorious cylinder #3 issues we experience. Our disproportionately high problems with that cylinder are likely for the same reason, I think.
 
don't challenge me to make it fit farhan.
Why not? I'd love for you to do it. I'll even motivate you. If you make it fit in a 'reasonable fashion' with the over engine piping, we'll refund half the kit. Let's say 'reasonable fashion' is something that others like and imitate. Shall we say by the end of fall? Sound fair? That's a faeker only option.

I've seen Dale's post on this too. But saying that because he found it doesn't offer as much knock protection as pre-TB when using a stock intake manifold doesn't necessarily mean it'll be the same as with the EB manifold. Firstly, the stock manifold has a horizontally oriented throttle body and notoriously imbalanced flow between cylinders. Secondly, Dale doesn't use ethanol too. Many of us do, so the octane/knock suppressing issues he experienced may be completely irrelevant to us, whether because of the EB's flow characteristics, or because we use ethanol too. To make the claim that the same outcome would occur, a test would have to be performed with the EB manifold being the only variable. I also love the convenience of mounting, not having to permanently modify my cold pipe, and also supporting @Matt@DM and @Farhan@DM is important to me. I love their products and appreciate what they're doing for our platform.

I do expect that result would be somewhat different with the EB manifold. I'm sure someone will test and report back.

Thank you for the support!

I was thinking about the logistics of making TMIC fitment happen and I'm starting to question it a little bit. The fact that the stock manifold is metal and pretty damn sturdy is part of how it can withstand the force of a heavy intercooler and hood scoop pushing down on it. I think some kind of bracket would be needed with the EB2.0. Outsourcing that could be costly since three different brackets would be needed (for Gen1, Gen2, MS6), or some kind of adjustable bracket.

Give us some time. We've seen enough interest in the TMIC fitment to pursue it. No timeline for you right now, unfortunately.
 
It is for this reason that I believe it'll be a non-issue with the EB manifold. Flow imbalances won't need addressed via different nozzle location. Additionally, the EB manifold will likely positively address the notorious cylinder #3 issues we experience. Our disproportionately high problems with that cylinder are likely for the same reason, I think.

Don't think so. Go to focusst.org and you'll see they have even more problems with cylinder #3 than we do.
 
until the part is out in the wild, long winded discussions aren't going to do much good. the few beta kits out there have been running fine with no issues. let's keep the guesses about issues to a min since it's not going to be worth much until the people who get the kits can start doing tests.



farhan, you're on.
 
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Dang, I didn't think about FMIC hot piping clearance between the radiator and IM. I wonder if my JBR pipe will still work there or be easily adapted to do so. Time will tell...

Looking forward to the release of more information from DM.
 
Weight info, for those who are interested in shedding a tiny bit.

ST Mani: 3.6 lb
DM Adapter: 1.7 lb

I don't have a stock manifold weight, only one that has VTCS removed with mild porting. It weighed 7.7lb, so I'm guessing a totally stock mani is around 8.5lb.

Approximate savings: 3.2 lb



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Farhan, can you message me on messenger when I can order? I'm in vacation and have limited access to the webz
 
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